Statistiken Finnland

[sunny1011]

So, dass Thema hat sich als recht schwierig erwiesen. Heutiger Frauentag verleitet zu weiteren Spekulationen in den finnischen Medien.

Ich finde, dass Richtwerte recht nützlich auf der Jobsuche sind, damit man nicht übers Ziel hinausschiesst bzw. sich unterm Wert verkauft.

Für den Anfang, die spezifische Untersuchung der Sprachen/Technologiebranche (technische Übersetzungen, technische Redakteure, techn. Illustratoren, Projektleiter etc.), die mir am nächsten steht. Die Branche umfasst sagen wir mal zu 90% Akademiker.

Weitere Vergleiche folgen beim Interesse.

Studie 2005 Finnland

Weniger als 2000 Euro - 7%
2000-2250 - 16%
2250-2500 - 18%
2500- 2749- 21%
2750 – 3 000 - 9%
3000 – 3250 - 14%
3250 – 3500 - 6%
3500 – 3750 - 3%
3750 – 4000 - 4%

Studie 2003 Deutschland (die letzte Verfügbare der Tekom)

Weniger als 2500 – 5%
2500 – 4000 – 57%
4000 – 5500 – 28%
5500 – 7000 – 7,5%
7000 – 8500 1,5%
8500 – 10 000 – 0,5%
mehr als 10 000 – 0,5%

Während in D kaum 5% unter 2 500 Euro verdienen, sind es in Finnland bereits 41%
In Finnland klettert man kaum über 4 000 Euro , während in D 38% darüber liegen.

Spezifische Angaben für Finnland (für technische Dokumentation-, Localisation-, und Übersetzerbranche):

Durchschittsgehalt: 2650 Euro (vgl. mit dem finnischen Landesdurchschnitt 2410 Euro in 2004, besser )
Gesamtspanne: min. 1170 Euro – max. 4000 Euro
Mediaani (durchschnittlicher Wert der Mehrheit):
Frauen 2560 Euro – Männer 2550 Euro (nur 10 Euro Unterschied!)
Durchschnitt Frauen 2628 Euro – Durchschitt Männer 2698 Euro
Minimum Gehalt Frauen 1170 Euro – Männer 1850 Euro
Maximum Frauen = Männer 4000 Euro und sense.

Es ist allerdings eine "Frauen-power-dominierte Branche"

[Sapmi]

Aha.
Wie sieht's eigentlich mit den Abgaben aus, also Verhältnis Brutto-Netto-Einkommen? Kriegt man bei gleichem Bruttogehalt in FIN mehr "raus"?

[sunny1011]

@ Sapmi

Das kann man nicht so pauschal sagen...

Ich habe vor kurzem die Prozentsätze der Gehälter in D und Fin in meinem Fall verglichen. Ich denke bei meinem jetzigen Gehalt fahre ich in Finnland besser als in Deutschland (ganz geringer Unterschied, vllt. so um die 110-120 Euro netto besser in Finnland). In Anlehnung an meine deutsche Steuerklasse I. Ich weiss nicht, wieviel das heutzutage noch ausmacht, wenn man verheirtatet ist. Hier spielt es keine Rolle.

Hier einige Richtwerte:

Deutschland (stand 2000, Steuerklasse I)

Steuern 16,5%
Kranken- und Pflegeversicherung 7,5%
Rentenversicherung 9,7%
Arbeitslosenversicherung 3,3%
Gesamt: ~37%

Finnland

Steuern 26,5%
Krankenversicherung (nicht ersichtlich) ?(
Rentenversicherung 4,5%
Arbeitslosenversicherung 0,7% + 1% freiwillige Unionmitgliedschaft
minus Kleinkram (weiss der Geier was das ist), z.B. Mobiltelefongeldwertervorteil etc. noch 1-2%
Gesamt: ~34%

Also ich sehe da keine gravierenden Unterschiede, nur:
- Sozialabgaben sind nicht so "sichtbar" in Fin wie in D, werden aber mit den Steuern teilw. finanziert
- die Leistung des Sozialsystems sehe ich persönlich als gravierend schlechter, auch wenn Deutschland an der 10 Euro Praxisgebühr dauernd meckert :rolleyes: . Man zahlt die Krankheitskosten "fast" selbst, reguläres Arbeitslosengeld ist nicht gehaltgebunden und somit muss man einer Union beitreten und zusätzlich einzahlen (aber es lohnt sich, eine Supereinrichtung!)
- Man kann nicht viel von den Steuern absetzen. Bei mir helfen die Fahrkosten (110 km täglich) und einige Schulungen, so dass eine Rückerstattung meistens drin ist. Allerdings muss man die Kosten der öffentl. Verkehrsmitteln einsetzen. Die PkW Pauschale ist sehr schwer durchzusetzen (z.B. nur Schichtarbeiter und wenn die Verkehrsverbindungvoraussetzungen nicht erfüllt sind, d.h. der nächste Rentierausritt erst in 3 Stunden ...)
- Man nehme Lebenshaltungskosten, Mietpreise, Mehrwertsteuer, *ähm*

[Sapmi]

Vielen Dank für die detaillierte Info.

sunny1011 schrieb am 08.03.2006 11:52
(ganz geringer Unterschied, vllt. so um die 110-120 Euro netto besser in Finnland).

Meinst Du jetzt monatlich? 80 Das wäre ja dann alles andere als "ganz gering".

[Jan]

Der durchschnittliche MonatsNETTOverdienst eines deutschen Arbeitnehmers beträgt ca. 2500,- Euro (so habe ich es zumindest in einer deutschen Tageszeitung gelesen). Der Mindestlohn(Sozialhilfesatz) liegt bei ca. 1300,- Euro.

Ich weiß zwar nicht, wie auf diese Zahlen gekommen wurde, hierbei bin ich aber weder Fisch noch Fleisch (Geringverdiener über dem Sozialhilfesatz).

[Sapmi]

@ Jan:
Geringstverdiener bin ich auch, könnte mir aber vorstellen, dass mit den 2500 Euro das Brutto-Einkommen gemeint war, oder?

[sunny1011]

Sapmi schrieb am 08.03.2006 16:38
Vielen Dank für die detaillierte Info.

sunny1011 schrieb am 08.03.2006 11:52
(ganz geringer Unterschied, vllt. so um die 110-120 Euro netto besser in Finnland).

Meinst Du jetzt monatlich? 80 Das wäre ja dann alles andere als "ganz gering".

Jo, im Monat - alles ist relativ. Es ist vielleicht nicht wenig, aber wenn man bedenkt, dass man z.B. ohne auffällige Krankheiten gut 2.500 Euro für diverse Ärzte im Jahr hinausblättert (paar Zahnarztbesuche, ein paar Jahreschecks, Vorsorge, etc), sind auch die 120 Euro (und mehr) pfutsch. In D wird es zwar auch immer schlimmer nach der Gesundheitsreform, aber die Zuzahlungen und Praxisgebühren sind auf jeden Fall geringer.

[Naali]

Naja..aber der Betrag kommt echt darauf an, was man hat, zu welchem Arzt man geht (Privatarzt ist teurer als Gesundheitszentrum) usw. Ein so hoher Betrag kommt bei mir im Leben nicht zusammen.

[Loja]

Wie ist das eigentlich mit Heilpraktikern in Finnland? Zahlt da die Krankenkasse etwas dazu oder muss man, wie in D, 100% selbst bezahlen? ?(

[Torkel]

@sunny... als alleinstehender kann ich sagen, dass der unterschied riesig ist. ich bekomme hier 1500e weniger brutto als in .de, wobei netto sind das nur 150e weniger.

[sunny1011]

Jetzt einmal keine Gehaltstatistik sondern die Statistik zur Wettbewerbsfähigkeit Finnlands.

Business competitiveness ranking 2005
WEF (World Economic Forum)
1. USA
2. Finland
3. Germany
4. Sweden
5. Switzerland
6. UK
7. Denmark
8. Japan
9. Netherlands
10. Singapore
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Factors where Finland ranks nr. 1-3 in the world (out of 117 countries)

A. growth competitiveness
- tertiary enrollment
- univeristy - industry collaboration in research
- internet access in schools
- internet hosts
- technological readiness
- organised crime

Factors where Finland ranks nr. 1-2 in the world (out of 117 countries)

B. business competitiveness
- ease of access to loans
- quality of public schools
- univeristy - industry collaboration in research
- diversion of public funds
- importance of environment in business planning
- availability of scientists and engineers
- protection of ecosystems by business
- venture capital availability

Factors where Finland ranks low (110 - 117)

B. business competitiveness

- extent of marketing (au weia, die verstehen nicht mal das Wort)
- control of international distribution
- breadth of international marktes
- flexibility of wage determination :rolleyes:
- extent and effect of taxation :rolleyes:
- hiring and firing practices
- pay and productivity

[sunny1011]

Und unser IQ ist topp :

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Germans are brainiest
By Helen Nugent

(...)

A new European league of IQ scores has ranked the British in eighth place, well above the French, who were 19th. According to Richard Lynn of the University of Ulster, Britons have an average IQ of 100. The French scored 94. But it is not all good news. Top of the table were the Germans, with an IQ of 107. The British were also beaten by the Netherlands, Poland, Sweden, Italy, Austria and Switzerland.

Professor Lynn, who caused controversy last year by claiming that men were more intelligent than women by about five IQ points on average, said that populations in the colder, more challenging environments of Northern Europe had developed larger brains than those in warmer climates further south. The average brain size in Northern and Central Europe is 1,320cc and in southeast Europe it is 1,312cc. “The early human beings in northerly areas had to survive during cold winters when there were no plant foods and they were forced to hunt big game,” he said. “The main environmental influence on IQ is diet, and people in southeast Europe would have had less of the proteins, minerals and vitamins provided by meat which are essential for brain development.” (interessant!)

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A “normal” IQ ranges from 85 to 115 but exceptionally gifted people have scores starting at 145.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/

[sunny1011]

Finland - almost too good to be true
BEHIND THE HEADLINES
By Ritva Liisa Snellman

It's almost enough to make one blush. Reading the 2005 annual report on Finland in the foreign media put out by the Department of Communications and Culture of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, that is.
I mean, boy, are we good, or what?
Finland has become a model country in the eyes of the world's media, with foreign journalists chasing their tails trying to find out what it is that makes us tick and succeed.

Why does Finland come out so well in all these international barometric studies, whether it is a question of the skills and smarts of comrehensive school kids, the incorruptibility of our civil servants, our competitiveness, the way we adopt new technologies, construction of small family dwellings, innovation, the quality of kindergarten care, our wonderful pre- and post-natal clinic system, or even the relative lack of caries ?( in our teeth?
"Finland is an Arctic Economic Tiger", headlined one Belgian newspaper. In this promised land of reindeer and engineers, social changes can be implemented without inertia or resistance.

The press sections of the Finnish embassies and consulates abroad have kept a broad-ranging eye on what the foreign media have been saying about us. Even advertisements have been pored over at carefully. They, too, help to form part of the Suomi-image.
Spanish readers and TV-viewers get to see a car advertisement in which a 4x4 Audi drives up a snow-covered ski-jumping hill in Jämsä.
The viewers are clearly told that the location for the dramatic bit of "don't try this at home" film was in Finland.
Italians got a glimpse of Finnishness in a chewing gum commercial. Wild savages dressed in animal skins are chased through the Finnish forests by hunters carrying tranquiliser-dart rifles, in order that the creatures can be captured alive to determine why their teeth are so good. The reason: so many people in Finland chew Xylitol gum.

One new development is journalists' blogs. A BBC News reporter visited Finland in October and noted in his blog that Finland - or at least the schoolchildren - was "almost too good to be true" and, in the next sentence, "Just too goody-goody to be believable". The kids behaved themselves impeccably and were full of positive energy - and the same went for the country as a whole.
The Observer regarded the secrets of the schools' success as resting in efficiency, equality, and a sort of cosy, homely quality. This part was demonstrated by the strange habit the pupils have of taking off their shoes as they go into the classroom. 80

Fortsetzung folgt...

[sunny1011]

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Amidst all this, we should not forget that Finland and the Finns were also roundly laughed at during 2005. There were, for instance, the little wire-service stories about the alleged shortage of toilet rolls in the country arising out of the summer strikes and lock-out in the pulp & paper industry.
In the Czech Republic, they grinned at the news that Finns would now have to rely on Estonian toilet paper, the post-socialist qualities of which they had previously sneered and sniffed at.
Then there were those remarks by the Italian Prime Minister and the French President about the poor state of Finnish cuisine. However, the news items as such did not ruin the reputation of Finnish gastronomy.
British journalists even felt a need to visit Finland to determine whether - as was claimed - we really could have worse food than the United Kingdom.
In an editorial piece, The Times of London came to the defence of Finnish cuisine, declaring it was so good that it really ought to be served in British pubs.
A South Korean television programme examined the health benefits of blueberries, and two staffers from the Finnish Embassy in Seoul were invited to make blueberry pie and blueberry soup for the viewers. Meanwhile, in Singapore, Finland was declared to be the "Silicon Valley of functional nutrition".
Even this pales beside the fact that the Serbian Sport Supplement tendered a request that the recipe for liver casserole by the Sydney shot-put gold medallist Arsi Harju be translated for its readers. Finns are now seen as sensible but nonetheless still "exotic". A Lithuanian journalist, Laima Lavaste, took her analysis a stage further: "If I had to portray Finland, I would describe it as a giant iceberg, from which large heads are poking out and looking at the world through childlike eyes. The Finns are even now naively decent people, modest and sensitive. Finland is the country where the world's childhood lives."
Down on the island of Cyprus, they recalled the arrival of Finnish UN peacekeepers 41 years earlier.
"Suddenly they were everywhere. They had the palest of complexions, they were frendly, good-looking, and they smiled a lot. These youngsters with their bicycles had arrived from their cheery homeland in the midst of our country's problems."

Things may come and things may go, but one subject never goes out of style: you cannot have a year without foreign journalists writing about Finnish drinking.
Estonian newspapers continued to sigh and tut-tut about male binge-drinking and the consequences, and about the ugly, fat Finnish women.
In the Serbian and Montenegran papers, Finnish drinking habits continue to prompt amazement. What is it that makes a nation turn to drink when things are so good at home?
In Slovenia they wrote that it is no shame to be seen drunk in Finland. Because alcohol is expensive, people produce home-made white lightning on stills. Readers were also generously given a recipe for the moonshine.

Helsingin Sanomat / First published in print 28.5.2006

Behind the Headlines is an occasional article series, published in the Sunday edition, in which Helsingin Sanomat staffers comment on the media. The writer in this case is a journalist on the paper's Sunday desk. The media review referred to can be found (in Finnish) at the link
below).

[sunny1011]

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Finland's biggest media bang for its buck came last year from the United States. In the spring, a Washington Post special correspondent went the length and breadth of the country, accompanied by a photographer, and captured life here as lived in school graduation ceremonies, kindergartens, saunas, pubs, out Nordic walking, and in hi-tech factories. In the 24-part series, Finland was lauded to the skies.
The U.S. image of Finland was given a further shot in the arm by the late-night talkshow host and comedian Conan O'Brien, who made a habit in his programme of laughing at and badmouthing different countries . Some others were less than amused by the comic's nightly mickey-taking, but the Finns positively basked in it, and gave back as good as they got. Postcards, banknotes, pickled herring, and odd birch-bark artefacts rained down on the NBC studio host, and the Finland gag and O'Brien's alleged likeness to President Tarja Halonen were a source of entertainment for the educated West Coast and East Coast audience throughout the year.
The motormouth host seemed to have been looking for an authentic and primitive life to go alongside his pampered celebrity existence - and he found it in Finland. O'Brien visited the country with great success and delivered a (relatively kind) report on his travels - but that will all show up in the 2006 report.

Finnish heroes abroad have included bands such as HIM, The Rasmus, and Nightwish, and of course the novelist Arto Paasilinna, who is "very big in France".
Sportsmen who have crossed the recognition threshold include the taciturn ski-jumper and "Flying Finnish Enigma" Janne Ahonen, the "Finnish javelin deity" Tero Pitkämäki, and Formula One's "Iceman" Kimi Räikkönen, who is known simply as Kimi over in India.
The former Olympic and World Champion ski-jumper Matti Nykänen is also a familiar figure around the world. In Croatia he manages to be a hero and a criminal in the same physical shape, while in Norway he is an object of pity.

The old 1970s German pejorative Finnlandisierung (Finlandisation) has changed its meaning. It no longer refers to brown-tonguing or grovelling appeasement of a greater power, but skilful diplomatic moves.
In the Turkish media, the EU Enlargement Commissioner Olli Rehn is a familiar figure, known as "Mustafa Olli", who plays football in his spare time. In the Balkans, for obvious reasons, they wrote a lot about former President Martti Ahtisaari, who was described by the leading Slovenian daily as an excellent negotiator and so stubborn he would rather die than back down.
Nearly everyone knows who Ahtisaari is, at least after his high-profile appointment to mediate the final status of Kosovo, but Piritta Sorsa is a less famous name. And yet this lady, the IMF's Chief of Mission for Serbia & Montenegro, was listed last year as the seventh most-influential female in Serbia. She is described as a tough but fair woman who is also able to listen to the other side's views.

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